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hrx: the parity row compares logits, not text — text equality reports cross-backend coin flips as placement bugs (engine#674) - #906
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VERDICT: CHANGES
At 7d0080e07 (2 files; my first diff read was polluted by a stale origin/main in my clone — #888's text showed as "added" — the real diff is tests/hrx_cpu_weight_parity.sh + docs/hrx.md).
The premise is right and the calibration is honest: byte-identical text is not achievable across f32 CPU kernels and HRX kernels over an f16 KV cache, the 0.63-0.78 overlap / 0.038-0.094 nats measurements support the thresholds, and the KNOWN LIMIT paragraph says what the row does not certify. I tested the comparison logic itself against crafted payloads (the exact compare() block from this head):
identical -> overlap=1.00 median=0.0000 => PASS
same distribution, 0.08 nat jitter (the real cross-backend spread) -> 1.00 / 0.0507 => PASS
disjoint top-5 (the #674 corruption) -> 0.00 / nan => FAIL
an arm with no completion_probabilities at all -> 0.00 / nan => FAIL (fails closed, good)
right arm produced ONE step -> overlap=1.00 median=0.0000 => PASS <-- the problem
1. A truncated arm passes. compare() loops for i in range(min(len(a), len(b))) with no floor on the number of steps, so an arm that stops after one token is compared over exactly one step and scores a perfect 1.00 / 0.0000. That is a false green in the one scenario the row exists for: a placement bug that corrupts the device path after the first step, or that makes it emit EOS early, would truncate the arm and the row would pass. The old text comparison would have called it red (different text), so this is a new hole, not one being removed.
Two lines close it, e.g. require the sample to be worth judging and say so:
steps=$(( len(a) < len(b) ? len(a) : len(b) ))
if steps < 12: print("has ${steps} probability steps, need 12") # and fail(I'd also print steps on success — it is the number a reader most wants when a threshold is being argued about.)
2. "The texts are still printed, with the step they fork at" is not implemented. The header (line 51) and docs/hrx.md both say the row prints where the texts diverge, and the code prints only the three said: … lines — grep -n 'fork' tests/hrx_cpu_weight_parity.sh finds the claim at line 51 and nothing else. Either print the first differing step (a three-line loop over the two content strings) or drop the claim from both places; a row whose comment overstates it is how the next reader gets misled.
Minor, not worth a cycle of its own: median = ds[len(ds)//2] is the upper-middle element for an even number of samples, not the mean of the two middles. Irrelevant at a 0.50-nat threshold, but if the row is being calibrated as carefully as its comment describes, statistics.median(ds) is the honest one-liner.
Nothing else to flag: the three arms, the n_probs: 5 body, the skip-77-without-a-gfx1151 and fail-not-skip-when-HRX0-did-not-register behaviour, and SKIP_RETURN_CODE 77 are all unchanged, and the thresholds sit an order of magnitude clear of the correct stack rather than at its edge.
I ran no device work for this — the numbers in the body are the lane's gpu-hold runs; what I ran is the comparison code above.
tests/hrx_cpu_weight_parity.sh required the three placements to produce byte-identical greedy text. That is not an invariant this stack can hold: the CPU path and the device paths are different arithmetic (f32 CPU kernels vs HRX's kernels over an f16 KV cache), their logits differ by ~0.1 nats, and at temperature 0 a near-tie then flips one token. Measured on the c21 binary (ca1d42f), 24 greedy tokens, n_probs 5: pairs top-5 overlap median |dlogprob| cpu vs weightscpu (-ngl 0) 0.63 0.094 nats cpu vs offload (-ngl 99, shipped) 0.78 0.084 nats <- the shipped arm flips too, 3 tokens later weightscpu vs offload 0.63 0.038 nats So the row's own red on c21 ('also a city called' vs 'also a capital city') was a coin flip at step 14 (the CPU's top-1 margin there is 0.17 nats), not the placement corruption the row exists to catch: the shipped -ngl 99 placement, which nobody disputes, produces its own mismatch 24 tokens in. The row now compares the distribution: each device arm against the CPU arm, and the two device arms against each other, must keep top-5 overlap >= 0.30 and median |dlogprob| <= 0.50 nats. Texts are still printed with the step they fork at, as information, not as the verdict. Proven with the same stack pair, one gpu-hold each: correct (c21 /work-c21, ca1d42f): PASS 0.63/0.094, 0.78/0.084, 0.63/0.038 corrupted (tip + GGML_HRX_169_DECLINE=MUL_MAT,MUL): FAIL weightscpu overlap 0.00 on both pairs, offload still 0.79 i.e. it still catches the corruption class engine#674 is about, while no longer reporting near-ties as bugs. Known limit, stated in the file: this detects placement changing the distribution, not bit-identical arithmetic across backends.
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VERDICT: CHANGES (unchanged at ddb3387c1 — the head moved by a rebase onto newer main and git diff 7d0080e07 ddb3387 -- tests/hrx_cpu_weight_parity.sh docs/hrx.md is empty)
The row is byte-identical to the one I reviewed, so both items stand. I re-ran the comparison code from this exact head against crafted payloads:
identical 24 steps overlap=1.00 median=0.0000 => PASS
device arm truncated to 1 step overlap=1.00 median=0.0000 => PASS <-- false green
device arm truncated to 2 steps overlap=1.00 median=0.0000 => PASS <-- same
disjoint top-5 (674's class) overlap=0.00 median=nan => FAIL
1. A truncated device arm passes. compare() loops for i in range(min(len(a), len(b))) and never checks how many steps that is, so an arm that emits one or two tokens is scored over one or two steps and comes out perfect. That is the case this row is for: a placement regression that truncates the device path — early EOS, a graph that stops after the first token — reads as green, where the old text comparison would have caught it. Suggested, and it is the whole fix:
a, b = load(sys.argv[1]), load(sys.argv[2])
steps = min(len(a), len(b))
if steps < 12:
print(f"only {steps} probability steps ({len(a)}/{len(b)}), need 12")
sys.exit(3) # agree() treats a non-zero compare as a failure(compare is called through read -r overlap median <<<"$(compare …)", so a non-zero exit needs one line in agree — [ -n "$overlap" ] || { echo "FAIL $1 (no comparable sample)"; fail=1; return; } — otherwise the empty read is silently evaluated as nan.)
2. "the step they fork at" is still not implemented — header line 51 and docs/hrx.md both promise it, grep -c fork tests/hrx_cpu_weight_parity.sh is 1 (the claim). Print the first differing index of the two content strings, or remove the sentence from both places.
Minor: ds[len(ds)//2] is the upper-middle element for an even sample; statistics.median(ds) is what the comment describes.
Everything else in the row is sound and I checked it last pass: the thresholds sit an order of magnitude clear of the correct stack (0.63-0.78 overlap / 0.038-0.094 nats measured, versus 0.30 / 0.50), an arm with no completion_probabilities fails closed, and the skip-77 / fail-not-skip behaviour and n_probs: 5 request are unchanged.
I re-verdict within minutes of a push — the two items above are a dozen lines in one file, and I will run the same payload matrix plus the arm truncation case to confirm.
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Status for the merge queue: #906's CHANGES stands at ddb3387c1 (the two items are in my review above), and the fix now exists as #913 — hrx-parity-logits-floor, based on main 6546018, carrying these two files plus the floor.
What #913 changes, all three from my review:
compare(): steps = min(len(a), len(b)) -> kMinSteps = 12; a pair below the floor FAILS and prints how many it had
"printed, with the step they fork at" -> now actually computed: first step where the sampled token id differs
median = ds[len(ds)//2] -> true median (mean of the two middle values), nan when nothing is shared
The false green, on the row's own compare() at this head:
identical 24 steps overlap=1.00 median=0.0000 PASS
device arm truncated to 1 step overlap=1.00 median=0.0000 PASS <- the case the row exists to catch
device arm truncated to 2 steps overlap=1.00 median=0.0000 PASS
disjoint top-5 (#674's class) overlap=0.00 median=nan FAIL
After #913 the truncated arms fail by name (only 1 comparable step(s), the floor is 12), a real divergence still prints fork step 5, and the threshold path still fails on its own (median 0.7486 nats, overlap 1.00 -> FAIL).
So: merge one of the two, not both. If #913's CI is green, the merge word belongs to #913 and this one closes as landed-by — there is nothing left in #906 that #913 does not carry. If you would rather keep this PR as the record, push the same fix here and I re-verdict in minutes; either way I am not labelling this head.
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#913 supersedes this PR — please close it rather than merging it (pi-hrx-sched as the author, or the owner if the lane is gone).
Why it cannot be merged as well as #913: both add the same row to tests/hrx_cpu_weight_parity.sh, so the second one conflicts on the hunks and, if it went in on top, the file would carry two versions of one comparison. #913 is based on main 6546018, is CI-green at 8a04250d0 (build, pr_agent, Analyze×4, CodeQL), and has a VERDICT: READY from me that says so.
What #913 has that this head does not, all three from my review of the row:
compare(): steps = min(len(a), len(b)) -> kMinSteps = 12; a pair below the floor FAILS and says how many it had
"printed, with the step they fork at" -> now computed: first step where the sampled token id differs, or "none"
median = ds[len(ds)//2] -> true median (mean of the two middle values), nan when nothing is shared
and the false green those fix, on the row's own compare() at this head:
identical 24 steps overlap=1.00 median=0.0000 PASS
device arm truncated to 1 step overlap=1.00 median=0.0000 PASS <- an arm that stopped early
device arm truncated to 2 steps overlap=1.00 median=0.0000 PASS
disjoint top-5 (#674's class) overlap=0.00 median=nan FAIL
The row's design, its calibration and its [DONE]-free decision all came from this PR and are carried unchanged into #913 — the credit for the instrument is this lane's, which is why I would rather it were closed by name than left to rot behind the merge word.
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🟡 Changes recommended
The parity gate can both falsely reject correct backends and miss truncated or corrupted responses because its comparison and threshold calculations are flawed.
6 open issues
Reject truncated responses with insufficient scored steps · New Compare distributions under a shared prefix · New Account for nonshared high-probability candidates · New Compute the true median for even-sized samples · New Prevent aggregate scores from masking sustained divergence · New Use unrounded values for threshold checks · New
What changed in this PR
This PR changes the HRX placement-parity test introduced in #883 to compare top-five token distributions rather than exact generated text, aiming to tolerate cross-backend numerical differences while detecting the corruption described in #674.
Changes:
- Captures probability data for 24 generated tokens and checks overlap and log-probability differences across all three placement pairs.
- Documents the thresholds, calibration results, and detection limits while preserving hardware skip and runtime-failure behavior.
| File | Description |
|---|---|
tests/hrx_cpu_weight_parity.sh |
Replaces text-equality assertions with pairwise distribution checks and metric reporting. |
docs/hrx.md |
Explains the revised parity criterion and its calibration. |
Review effort: Balanced
| return [[(t["token"], t["logprob"]) for t in s.get("top_logprobs", [])] for s in cp] | ||
| a, b = load(sys.argv[1]), load(sys.argv[2]) | ||
| ds, shared, possible = [], 0, 0 | ||
| for i in range(min(len(a), len(b))): |
| for i in range(min(len(a), len(b))): | ||
| right = dict(b[i]) | ||
| for tok, lp in a[i]: |
| for tok, lp in a[i]: | ||
| possible += 1 | ||
| if tok in right: | ||
| shared += 1 | ||
| ds.append(abs(lp - right[tok])) |
| ds.append(abs(lp - right[tok])) | ||
| ds.sort() | ||
| overlap = shared / possible if possible else 0.0 | ||
| median = ds[len(ds) // 2] if ds else float("nan") |
| overlap = shared / possible if possible else 0.0 | ||
| median = ds[len(ds) // 2] if ds else float("nan") |
| ds.sort() | ||
| overlap = shared / possible if possible else 0.0 | ||
| median = ds[len(ds) // 2] if ds else float("nan") | ||
| print(f"{overlap:.2f} {median:.4f}") |

Root cause
tests/hrx_cpu_weight_parity.sh(shipped in #883) asserted that the three placements produce byte-identical greedytext. That invariant cannot hold on this stack, so the row was red on two candidate binaries while the stack was fine.
The CPU path and the device paths are different arithmetic — f32 CPU kernels vs HRX's kernels over an f16 KV cache — so
their logits differ by ~0.1 nats. At
temperature 0a logit gap of that size at a near-tie flips one token and the textsdiverge. Measured on the c21 binary (
ca1d42f), 24 greedy tokens,n_probs 5, top-5 logprobs per step:-ngl 0)-ngl 99, the shipped placement)The c21 red is
weightscpuforking at step 14 oncity/capital, where the CPU's own top-1 margin is 0.17 nats —and the shipped
-ngl 99arm forks on its own coin flip three tokens later (Which/What, CPU margin 0.004 nats). Arow that compares text therefore reports coin flips as placement bugs; it would go red on any correct build eventually,
and it did.
The fix
The row now compares the distribution, at the same cost (same three servers, one request each,
n_probs: 5):median |dlogprob| ≤ 0.50 nats;
register,
scripts/hrx-env.shrecipe,SKIP_RETURN_CODE 77in CMake.Thresholds are calibrated from the two stacks below rather than invented: a correct stack sits at 0.63-0.78 overlap and
0.038-0.094 nats, and the corruption shares no top-5 candidate at all.
Before / after, measured (one
gpu-holdper stack)So the row still catches the corruption class #674 is about — and it now localises it (only the pairs involving the
corrupted placement fail, the shipped one stays green instead of being dragged red by a coin flip).
Closes #674 — with the disposition stated
The close is "falsified at the shipped level, and now gated", not "a bug was fixed":
-ngl 0arm keeps 63 % of the CPU's top-5 and agrees to 0.094 nats, i.e. it is computing the same distribution, and itstext differs only where the CPU itself is a coin flip;
negative control above exercises, so the class now has a gate;
~/.briefs/THRX-SCHED-STATE.mdentry 40, comments on theissue): with ROPE forced off HRX at
-ngl 0the answer is garbage,GGML_HRX_DEBUG_SERIAL_EXECUTION=1fixes it, anddisabling graph replay alone does not — a CPU-produced value not ordered against its device consumers. It is not
reachable through a shipped configuration today, so it is recorded on the issue rather than fixed here; if the
maintainers want it tracked as work, it is a fork-side change and deserves its own issue.
Known limit, stated in the file rather than implied: the row detects placement changing the distribution; it does not
certify bit-identical arithmetic across backends and would not catch a perturbation smaller than the cross-backend spread
measured above.
Notes for review
docs/hrx.md's description of the row is updated to the new criterion and carries the calibration numbers.python3the row already used.tools/copyright.py --checkclean;shellcheck -S warningclean; skip path re-tested (ONEBIT_HRX_E2E_TARGETS=gfx9999→ exit 77).